Tim Maroney ([info]tim_maroney) wrote,
@ 2003-03-25 16:05:00
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jihad: war against the infidel
CNN radio is repeating a short piece claiming that "jihad" does not mean "holy war" and that Islam is a peaceful religion. I have no doubt that the numerous media reports to this effect are well-meaning and meant to counter rampant and spreading anti-Muslim bigotry. Nor do I have any desire to provide ammunition to those who ignorantly defame Islam, but in fact Islam is not historically a peaceful religion and "jihad" does traditionally mean a holy war carried out to bring a land of unbelievers under Islamic control. Every religion has its warts and jihad is one of Islam's greatest failings from a human rights perspective.

It is true that there are more philosophical interpretations of "jihad" as well. These are much less common and more marginal uses, which one would need to hunt intently through several scholarly references to find. These non-warlike definitions of "jihad" are spiritualized versions of the plain and common primary meaning, which every Arab speaker knows.

Daniel Pipes has been covering militant Islam for decades, and he has his facts straight on this issue. The word has only been recast in popular discourse in recent years as a propaganda measure. Real scholars are not fooled.

When Saddam Hussein tells the Arab world that Iraq is the country of jihad, he is using the traditional and usual meaning of the word, in the correct expectation that he will be understood by his target audience as referring to armed struggle against the infidel. When terrorists gather together under the name Islamic Jihad, they are not perverting an originally pure philosophical term. They are speaking in plain language, in which jihad means holy war.

Thelemites who insist that the Third Chapter may only be read metaphorically should not be too quick to point fingers here, or at the glorious divine slaughters of the Bible. The Third Chapter lends itself all too easily to a literal meaning, and Crowley interpreted it in that light. His idea of how the world would be brought to Thelema was a very similar kind of holy war, modeled in his interpretations on the traditional jihads of Islam, a religion he greatly admired for its masculinity.

It would be a wonderful thing for Islam and for the world if the abstract and philosophized meanings of "jihad" were to become the norm and the old warlike meaning be forgotten. However, as current events remind us, that meaning is still primary today.



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[info]phygelus
2003-03-25 05:43 pm UTC (link)
In my experience, the "defensive" interpretation of jihad is more mainstream among contemporary Muslims than you or Pipes admit, and is roughly similar to the "just war" theory of Christianity, with obvious differences. I find it curious that Pipes goes into so little detail on this particular facet of his subject, though my impression is he expects his audience to be very familiar with the "defensive" jihad.

I'd never even heard of the wholly spiritualized version before that I can clearly remember, or at least had entirely associated it with Sufism, but then I've never hung out with carefully sanitized Muslims.

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[info]tim_maroney
2003-03-25 06:11 pm UTC (link)
The Western Muslims I've known have been extremely defensive about their faith.

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[info]phygelus
2003-03-26 09:01 pm UTC (link)
I'm not talking about Westerners. Jihad is commonly understood today among mainstream Muslims (neither radicals nor academics nor the Sufis that occultists adore) to mean coming to the military defense of Muslims who are being oppressed for their religion. The historical spreading-Islam-by-the-sword interpretation is rightly dismissed as both unrealistic in the modern world and secondary to peaceful means of proselytizing.

The Muslim question of whether jihad is lawful is analogous to the Christian question of whether a war is just. Is there a similar question, potentially even, in the theology of the Thelemic holy war?

Does Osama mean defending the faith against the infidel, or is he out to convert us by the sword? I don't know.

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[info]phygelus
2003-03-27 01:10 am UTC (link)
erm, I keep forgetting that conversion-by-the-sword is a misleading description of jihad, so let me rephrase that: "Does Osama mean defending his religion against oppression by the infidel, or is he out to bring us under Muslim rule? I don't know." Also above, for clarity, please read in "...whether a particular call for jihad is lawful..."

In Saddam's case, though, I think a case can be made here that he's simply saying the military defense of his regime in Iraq is lawful under the religion of his people. Any leader in his situation can be expected to say the equivalent.

Say, what are the "just war" theorists saying about our current invasion of Iraq? I haven't checked yet.

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[info]rmmcgrath
2003-03-25 08:24 pm UTC (link)
The great jihad is the one against the ego in Islam. It's a shame more Muslims focus on the lesser jihad than the greater.

However, what is important to realize here in the West is that we generally only see the extremists. There are whole communities of Muslims in most metropolitan areas that are good, decent people.

It's similar to Christianity in that regard. Most of them are decent people, but it's the extremists that give the religion a bad name.

Islam just tends to have more extreme extremists. The most violent the Christian extremists in this country generally get is to shoot abortion doctors whereas the Muslims fly jets into skyscrapers..

Islam can be a religion of peace. The common Muslim greeting is "May peace be with you..." I think it's important to not lose sight of the millions of normal, moral, decent Muslims in the world..or to let the images of extremism taint our perception of a religion.

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[info]deggial
2003-03-26 04:03 pm UTC (link)
exactly riordan.

"The great jihad is the one against the ego in Islam. It's a shame more Muslims focus on the lesser jihad than the greater."

MORE? where do you get your statistics?

D.

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[info]rmmcgrath
2003-03-26 10:11 pm UTC (link)
No statistics. Just a general impression...albeit one influenced by the jingoistic media.

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[info]tim_maroney
2003-03-26 04:11 pm UTC (link)
The great jihad is the one against the ego in Islam.

Can you point me to specific Hadith on that?

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[info]rmmcgrath
2003-03-26 09:27 pm UTC (link)
I suppose the use of the term 'greater jihad' to signify the war against oneself is more traditional usage than something found specifically in the Hadith or the Qu'ran.

But I found this which somewhat supports my claim even if it doesn't give specifics.


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[info]phygelus
2003-03-27 12:42 am UTC (link)
from that link:
A Hadith expounds upon this understanding by recounting how Muhammad, upon returning from a victorious battle, told others that "We have returned from the lesser jihad (al-jihad al-asghar) to the greater jihad (al-jihad al-akbar)." When asked what this "greater jihad" could be in relation to the battle just fought, he informed them that it was the struggle "against oneself."

Of course, it must be noted that this particular Hadith does not appear in any of the authoritative collections, and even with the idea that the "greater jihad" is against internal evil, it nevertheless remains true that the battle against external evil remains a valid form of jihad. This Hadith has, however, been very influential among Sufi mystics through the centuries.


It's interesting that it's in a Hadith at all, but very telling that it comes out of the Sufi tradition, which is much more marginal ("Blake to a Baptist") than its western fans usually realize.

Anybody know when this massive popularization in the west of the Sufi idea of the "greater jihad" started?

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[info]deggial
2003-03-26 04:02 pm UTC (link)
"jihad" does traditionally mean a holy war "

jihad has two applications.

1.)social war against injustice.
2.)personal spiritual war against ungodliness within oneself.

99.9% of muslims view #2 as the one that is most important.

the "primary meaning" as you termed it is one ONLY held by extremists. Look at fundy Christians and think about how they talk and how rediculous THEY look.

The most empty can rattles the loudest.


as far as islam not being a peaceful religion i beg you to tell me one religion/ie. culture that has a perfect "peacekeeping" record.



Love
D.

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[info]cuvalwen
2003-05-15 04:20 am UTC (link)
Hi. I found your website when looking up some Crowley texts, and followed the link to your journal.
I heard a third version of the meaning of jihad- as a legal ruling, an official decision on a matter. This was from an English program on the BBC about Islam, presented by an Islamic comedienne.
From the relatively little that I know about Islam, it seems to me that one of the problems with talking about the religion is it's origins. A lot of small tribes banded together under a religious focus, and each had their own traditions and ideas. As a consequence, some practices and attitudes which are not supported by the Koran are still integral parts of Islam.
Personally, I think there's always going to be a problem with any religion that has some individuals placed over others. Acting as the arbiters of the faith, the emphasis will tend to be drawn away from the original ideas toward the personal goals of the 'priests'. A charismatic individual imbued with divine authority can be incredibly destructive. But you don't need me to tell you that! :-)

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Meaning of Jihad
[info]frater_jihad
2004-03-14 11:37 am UTC (link)
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

I have found these entries on Jihad and the lexiconical meaning of the word in Arabic Intresting. I come from the religion of Al-Islam though I left it for Thelema some time ago. I grew up in the Sufi Tradition, which mainly uses the term Jihad in the context of Internal Struggle, though their is the external warfare which has a valid place in Islam. I would like to state though that the Majority of Muslims I have meet take Jihad to mean both formats and not just one or the other, and that the most important to them to be the Al-Jihad al-Akbar or the Greatest Jihad of Internal Struggle. Since my name or Motto is Jihad I thought I would make a posting that I sent to many of my Brothers and Sisters in the OTO since it is often a misunderstood term...

The reason I chose " Frater Jihad" as a Motto is because to me it
encompasses all of what it takes to find the Will and execute the
Will and to establish Liberty, Life, Light, and Love. Jihad has 2
meanings in Arabic, the literal meaning of it is "struggle". The
first is called "Jihad al-Dunya", and means "Struggle of this World",
and relates to actual external warfare, in Arabic this is called "al-jihad al-asghar" or "The
Lesser Jihad"; the Second meaning is "Jihad al-Nafs",
meaning "Struggle of the Self or Ego", and relates to internal
warfare to train the Nafs / Ego to serve you and not you to serve
them, this is called the "Jihad al-Akbar", that is "The Greater
Jihad". This is shown in its lexiconical usauge from when Muhammad
had returned from the conquest of Makkah when he said to his
followers "We have returned from the lesser Jihad to the Greater
Jihad", meaning from actual external Warfare to Spiritual Warfare
against the self. To me Thelema (The doctrine of Will) is
accomplished by the Arabic word "Jihad", 1st and foremost by going
threw the Struggle to control the Self so one can inspect the self to
discover the Will, how many of us think we control ourselfs when we
are far from it. 2nd we have to establish Liberty in the World so
people have the freedom to discover their will if they so chose and
wish, and so the 3 other L's (Light, Life, Love) can manifest in
Libertys allowing them to. To me "Jihad" is what I'm all about as a
Thelemite, in a constant "Struggle" (Jihad) to establish the Law
inwardlly and outwardly in my life.

Love is the law, love under will.

Frater Jihad

P.S. Tim, I enjoyed your recent article in Agape. You are an excellent writer.

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